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Steps_Descending · Aug 03, 2010, 09:36 PM // 21:36

While toying with hero builds, I've been thinking about using a pet on my mesmer. Anyone tried using a beast master build on a caster? Can anyone tell me if it works very bad/not so bad/decent.
I was thinking as a lot of mesmer tricks require babysitting a mob, I could let my pet do damage while I cast.

I'm thinking about PvE for now.
I know it will be alot worse than most "real" builds, but I want to know if it's particulary bad or OK.

Nubarus · Aug 03, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Never tried it on a caster, but i made a very effective Paragon/Ranger spear/pet build that I really enjoy using. Besides the fact it does really good dmg it helps me regain energy without having to use shouts, that's the initial reason I added the pet, for energy management.

Skyy High · Aug 03, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Bad idea. The pet won't really add anything to your build, you can't use runes for it, and it'll basically just take away a ton of att points you could be using elsewhere.

Of course, if you know it's not optimal, nobody can tell you you can't screw around with it. It's not like you'll instantly fail everything you do with a pet.

Fay Vert · Aug 03, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Pets on casters are bad, the pet won't attack until it's owner attacks and spell casts don't count. Dreadful pet AI == dreadful pets.

Levothar Kingdom · Aug 03, 2010, 11:54 PM // 23:54

I've tried making a mesmer caster pet build and it sorta worked well I used

Crippling Anguish(E)
Clumsiness
Poisn bite
Brutal Strike
Call of protection
Beastial Mauling
Run as One
Comfort Animal

I don't remember the attributes but I got laughed at alot

Wika Sham · Aug 03, 2010, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Migraine Mes Hero+Disrupting Lunge is pretty awesome...at least it was when I used it in halls. Not so sure about PvE use though..

RedDog91 · Aug 04, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

My brother made a build to 1v1 me that uses a mesmer with a pet.
But, keep in mind, the build ONLY works for 1v1
max out Illusion Magic at 12 and Domintaion at 10+1+3, then put the rest into Beast mastery
use Illusionary Weaponry right before the fight starts. Black out the opponent. You and pet attack while opponent can't use any skills. Recast blackout if needed.

as far as Pve goes, which you stated you want to do, this build won't work at all of course.
but a mesmer with a pet can be ok
It'll take some work before you find a way you can comfortably play while actually completely quests and missions, but it's not impossible. I know atleast 3 people who have brought pets while on an ele, so playing a beast master as a caster isn't impossible. As far as whether it "works" is dependent on your knowledge of the game mechanics involved and knowledge of the area you are playing in (i.e. the types of enemies)

G E A R S · Aug 04, 2010, 12:13 AM // 00:13

i used it with my ele used ferocious strike for e-management was okay

Steps_Descending · Aug 04, 2010, 12:21 AM // 00:21

So the pet's AI really screws up it's dmg is I get it?
Probably worth a try anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Pets on casters are bad, the pet won't attack until it's owner attacks and spell casts don't count. Dreadful pet AI == dreadful pets.

Even on aggressive?

Chthon · Aug 04, 2010, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Pets are generally bad on primary rangers. Pets on casters is a whole new level of terrible.

Xiaquin · Aug 04, 2010, 06:00 AM // 06:00

PvE: I've seen a number of secondary rangers with pets. Seeing them do it well, that's not really possible. Being a caster I imagine enemy AI is going to prefer to squish you instead, unless you have a spear or something. It saps your potential, just not enough gained to make it worthwhile.

PvP: Possible. As mentioned above, 1v1 it would have potential. It's very easy to inflict conditions and cause problems for another player.

Thinking out of the box though, is always nice. Worse-case scenario with a pet is, at least it's something else the enemy has to spend time killing.

Masmar · Aug 04, 2010, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Steps_Descending

Even on aggressive?

Yup, and aggressive is like targetting on a hero, it gives them a target to attack, and once that target is dead, it will switch back to gaurd.

...i think

Nubarus · Aug 04, 2010, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Well Well, this is amusing at best, pets are bad, pet are terrible...............

Looks like some pll here should look better at the skills available and the pets behaviour lol.
I have been using a pet Ranger for ages with great succes in PvE and teamplay PvP, although I use it more in PvE.

As for 2nd class, my Paragon/Ranger with a pet works great too.

Maybe on a caster it's not that good, but I never tried it so I cannot comment on it.

Now most likely the usual flame bullshit will occur, but that's ok, it's easier to bitch about something then exploring ways to make things work...........

Nubarus · Aug 04, 2010, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by upier

The problem is that the damage output of a BM can most easily be compared to a necro player whose ONLY skill on his skillbar is Discord. Each time your pet will hit, he will hit for some 100(+) damage. You will also have unlimited energy. But the same way that you will need someone else to put down a hex/condition on the target - the same way you will need to wait for the dumb-ass AI to get to the target. Plus, compared to a Disco necro - you are wasting your whole bar to achieve that.

It works - but it's not good.

Solution is simple, don't use the disco stuff, and a BM is perfectly capable of putting on a condition, so effective even that with the dmg spike alone you you don't even need discord to finish off the foe.

Nubarus · Aug 04, 2010, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by upier

I must have worded it poorly.
A BM (after wasting 6-8 skills) has approximately the same damage output as a necro whose ONLY skill is Discord. This of course applies for group play.

Well, I disagree with that 100%, but then as I said before, it's easier to say "this don't work" then seek ways to make it work.

Mintha Syl · Aug 04, 2010, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Pets on casters are bad, the pet won't attack until it's owner attacks and spell casts don't count. Dreadful pet AI == dreadful pets.

True, but as long as you auto-attack together with casting (at least when you engage the target, as after that the pet will stay on the targetand you can spam your spells) there won't be any problems.

Sure you won't have a great result, especially compared to what a full mesmer bar can do, but as long as you're aware of that and you want to do it just for fun...why not? As others said you won't be optimal but you won't fail either, I think.

Nubarus · Aug 04, 2010, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Like I have been for ages, and after the beast skill buff I even dropped Brutal Strike since foes pretty much die with when you hit em with Enraged Lunge.

I recently added Melandru's Assault and in combination with Volley + Splinter weapon + Mark of Pain + Icy Veins it's pretty much a 1-2-3 mob whoop.
Well, almost, any survivors I pick off with Enraged + Scavanger.
I also use the attack+speed boost skill for the pet, love that skill.
I also use Call of Protection to enhance it's survival ability.

I also never bring a res skill with me since we rarely die anyway.

I don't have any problems with my pet being stuck or just look fluffy, well mine can't look fluffy actually since it has no fluffy bits anywhere.

Now I know you going to say, ya you use other classes buffs, that's not what I mean, well, last time I checked this game is about TEAM play, so all the TEAM members helping each other to gain their GOAL is the way I play this game, not focus on how much dmg can I do ALONE and then compair it to other classes and then say, gee, this class sucks giant king kong balls because <insert any current popular class here> can do it better on it's own.

That is the fundamental problem with many players today, they don't think about team, they think about I alone must be able to do this much damage in this amount of time or else the class is useless.

And because I like to play with a team spirit view, is also the reason I don't use Discord heroes, I have been playing this game since it's released, I have always managed to find my own way of doing things, make my own builds to reach my goals, and never did I need a gimmic build to get things done, so I see no reason to start doing it now........

zwei2stein · Aug 04, 2010, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Edit: yeah, IW/BM mesmer. Fun, but not really something great. Works mostly in RA because of suprise factor (if you are lucky and people do not leave immediatelly as they see sword and shield wielding Me/R with pet.)

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

That is the fundamental problem with many players today, they don't think about team, they think about I alone must be able to do this much damage in this amount of time or else the class is useless.

And because I like to play with a team spirit view, is also the reason I don't use Discord heroes, I have been playing this game since it's released, I have always managed to find my own way of doing things, make my own builds to reach my goals, and never did I need a gimmic build to get things done, so I see no reason to start doing it now........

And here you have your damned issue: OF-damned-COURSE you are wiping mobs if you peper them with multiattack/splinter/mop/veins (well ... veins ... heh), it is iconinc meatgrinder gimmick build basically, mr. holler-than-you-no-gimmick-user.

It works great without pet(s) in it and would still work great with pet included as long as you have volley.

Be glad you have your awesome splinter/mop buddines that allow you to bring fun build instead of effective one.

Nubarus · Aug 04, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

LMFAO, fun build instead of effective one, well, yet again someone here managed to make me laugh so hard I broke internal organs, ty for that.

Last time I saw discussions here about the Ranger class however where more about how useless and ineffective the Ranger apparently is in GW and ppl where QQing for a fix.

So either way the Ranger is useless and ineffective by default right, so there are no effective Ranger builds..........pffffffft.

Luminarus · Aug 04, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

The extra energy regen might make it easier to spam great dwarf weapon a bit more on ur pet and party. And with good timing you could hit the dazing pet attack wen it knocks a target down. Enraged lunge is still good damage. Id probably look at Illusion 10, Domination 10, Pet watevers left. Fragility, Shrinking Armor, Shatter Delusion, Enraged Lunge, Poisonous Bite, Charm Animal, You Move Like A Dwarf, Great Dwarf Weapon.

Havent tried, just came up with it now tbh. Maybe with 2 other frontliners so that you had 3 targets for GDW, but im not sure about emanagement, you may want to go with some form of inspiration instead of the dom for p-drain or drain delusions. Give it a shot but.

Pure and simple though, it wont be as good as a ranger based beastmaster, and it wont be as good as a mesmer focused build.